Super Dave’s Korean DSLR Camera Buying Guide

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Warning: This tutorial makes use of some Korean characters. if your computer cannot display the Korean, it might be helpful if you install the Korean language fonts. Otherwise, the Korean characters will appear as crazy symbols which will be illegible. If you have Korean fonts installed and you still can’t see the characters, go view -> encoding -> Korean … that will work if your browser is set to detect western fonts.

Let’s get started …

So, the history of this ‘how to’ is that I made a few posts on eslcafe about cameras. As a result, I get emails every week from people asking how to get a good, cheap digital camera. I get a lot of requests for help, especially from people who are trying to move into the DSLR market. So, I’ve decided to make this guide … ’cause I’m tired of repeating myself! Just kidding … I’m happy to make this guide to help other people out.

Caveat: My experiences relate mainly to DSLR cameras. However, a lot of this information is also useful for point and shoots or any digital camera technology. In fact, much of this guide could be useful when shopping for any electronic equipment.

This is a guide only and is based on my experience. I don’t know everything! This is an accumulation of what I have done over the past 6 years. Others are welcome to disagree with my opinions, and I’d welcome comments. Constructive discussion will help make buying digital cameras (or other electronic equipment) a lot easier for everyone.

I provide this information as a public service. So I accept no responsibility if you don’t have the common sense to ensure you don’t get ripped off! Caveat Emptor!

Where to go …

First, there are three common places around Seoul where technology is purportedly cheap.

The new Yongsan Markets near the Yongsan subway station. The old markets are just as popular and are a haven for cheap computer parts.

Yongsan - A very popular place and prices are indeed cheap. A smart shopper can get good bargains there. Yongsan is an older area and many stores can keep their overheads low. Shopping with cash is recommended. However, Yongsan is also the place where unwary shoppers are more likely to be ripped off. It’s more common with computers than cameras, but there are a lot of stories about knockoff gear being sold as genuine. Popular stories are of people buying gear that has had the internal components stripped and replaced with cheap junk. Personally, I rarely go to Yongsan … unless it’s to buy computer parts. Yongsan however, is a great one stop shopping place. Depending which buildings you go to, you can get just about anything. I think Yongsan is better for computer and console bargains, than for cameras and other electronics. There’s less hawking here too!

Technomart is a modern 10 story technology heaven.

Technomart - I like TM a lot. However, it’s harder to haggle here. I think it’s because their overheads are higher (cost of rent, etc). You can still get good prices if you haggle and have cash. But I’ve rarely been offered rock bottom prices. Many sellers will become angry if you try to push prices down. They’d rather protect their profits than do business. I’ve never heard of knockoff gear in TM, and store owners are usually going to be there long term. So it’s an easy place to deal with if you learn to work your way around. Btw, TM has EVERYTHING you could ever need in electronics. Like Yongsan, it’s a one stop shopping mall. The biggest downside is that used shops are less common and it’s harder to find electronic items that are a year or two old. Usually, once it’s no longer the newest gear, TM won’t sell it. Hawking has become quite popular here, especially on the phone floors. So be prepared for people trying to ‘lure’ you to their stores. The general rule of thumb is that the higher floors and stores away from the escalators have better deals. Stores with lots of foot traffic won’t haggle as much, because they know that they can wait for a customer who will offer better prices. So if you want to shop at TM, get away from the front stores and wander around into the back areas.

Namdaemun is the beating heart of Korea’s markets. This massive outdoor market has food, clothing and souvenirs in the centre, with camera and bag shops along the streets.

Namdaemun - These are regular stores, however the streets near Namdaemun Gate are crowded with camera shops. Wandering amongst the shops is fun and many of them will let you haggle them down to rock bottom prices. There’s a particular shop in Namdaemun that I frequent often. I recommend it to anyone … but we’ll get to that later. There’s a few small technology malls in Namdaemun. These cater to ignorant tourists and their prices are higher. Steer clear of these mini-malls and stick to the storefronts which are independently owned.

Those are the most popular places. Of course, every mall and many streets have electronics shops. But it’s the places with a concentration of the same products that drive prices down … don’t expect the same deals at your local store or in places like COEX.

Another factor is the ‘import’ issue. Unbeknownst to many foreigners, there’s two ways to import electronics into Korea.

Genuine Imports - These imports are bought legally and all import taxes, customs and stamp duties are paid. This is what you expect to buy.

Grey Market Imports - These are imports which are shipped to Hong Kong (usually) but are bought and re-shipped to Korea. They avoid the import taxes and duties, and are therefore cheaper. However, of course, there’s a catch. The catch is warranty. Companies which represent their markets (eg Nikon and Canon) don’t like grey market (d’uh!). So, any product that you buy which comes from a non-genuine importer will not have its warranty recognized in Korea. This is weird, because the warranty is valid world wide, regardless of where you bought it. But Korean after service centers will not honour warranties if you didn’t buy it from an authorised seller!

How do they know it’s not genuine? Simple, the serial number! Manufacturers record serial numbers and know where the camera was destined to be sold. If it was destined for Hong Kong, chances are it’s an unauthorised import.

This is the rule, but it’s not a hard and fast rule. Nikon Korea has serviced and cleaned grey market cameras. In fact, a friend of mine had a dead pixel repaired on his camera’s sensor … even though the camera was grey market. I think that a smiling foreigner is probably bound to get away with more than many Koreans! The other fact to consider is that in 6 years I’ve never needed warranty repairs. Dropping a camera, losing it or having it stolen doesn’t come under warranty. So, for me, the risk of needing my warranty is low. Also, my warranty is still valid outside Korea. If I need warranty repairs, I can ship my camera to Japan for a small fee, have it repaired, and ship it back.

Keep in mind that the difference between original import and grey market is 100,000 won or more, depending on the value of the item. Spending thousands of dollars on digital gear would mean a saving of a few hundred dollars by buying grey market goods.

Finally, all grey market goods are IDENTICAL to original imports. They’re just products manufactured by the company which are destined for other markets.

Obviously grey market is not legal … however, I don’t think it’s illegal. Hence, grey market. And since very few laws are seriously enforced in Korea, this is a nice loophole that can be exploited by savvy purchasers.

Do some research …

So, that’s the background information. Let’s get down to actually purchasing something.

If I make a purchase, my first stop is the internet: www.danawa.com. Another good site, which is somewhat newer, is www.enuri.com. Although these sites are Korean, You can search in English and the prices are quite obvious. Searching for your equipment, camera, whatever, will bring up a list of what’s available. You’ll also see a vast array of prices. The cheaper prices will be from private sellers (often based in Yongsan, TM or Namdaemun). The more expensive ones are the big chain markets (GMarket and CJMall) who jack up their prices and pander to ignorant, lazy people.

word of warning: never use auction.co.kr … even though some of the results at danawa and enuri show auction items. auction.co.kr is owned by ebay, but it’s the korean version. there’s one fundamental difference between auction.co.kr and ebay: auction is NEVER cheaper. auction.co.kr is basically online stores pretending to be cheap. again, this is where the ignorant koreans go who ‘think’ that auction is the cheapest, without ever doing any real research. stay away from auction!

Search for the item you want … usually English is ok, because the brand names are often in English anyway.

Hint: To make things easier, after you search press 낮은가격순 and it will sort your search results from lowest price to highest price (like ebay does). The lowest priced item will now be at the top and you can quickly see which prices are the cheapest!

Once you see the item you want, take note of whether it’s grey market or original (yes, they actually TELL YOU, right there on the page).

This is an original item - (정품) - look for these Korean characters (Jong Poom), they mean original import.

This is a grey market item - (내수) - look for these Korean characters (Nae Soo), they mean grey market.

UPDATE - Recently danawa changed their system slightly. In some cases they write 비정품 (bee jong poom) meaning non original import. 비정품 means the same as 내수.

Compare the lowest original price and the lowest grey market. You’ll see quite a difference. Now you have a very good guide for prices. You know the best price you can expect. Very few stores will give you that EXACT price, but most will come within a few dollars. Danawa offers the best price guides in Korea. I’ve never seen cheaper deals. The whole point of using Danawa is to become aware of what the price SHOULD be. This is how you guarantee that you don’t get ripped off.

Your research is done. See! It took about 5 minutes. Take your time to compare brands, models, prices, etc. Also, consider other brands. Use sites like www.amazon.com to get a benchmark for western prices, and also use www.amazon.com to read reviews or user feedback about the items you’re looking at. This should give you a guide to what you’re buying and whether it suits your needs.

Final stage, the leg work …

Ok. I’m going to provide directions to a store in Namdaemun that I frequent regularly. I’ve pointed a number of friends towards this store too, and everyone has had good experiences. The owner speaks decent English and his prices are good. The best part is that when buying camera gear, he often throws in a lot of little extras in for free - such as UV filters, cloth bags, etc.

Disclaimer: I have NO affiliation with this store. I make NO money from your purchases and there is NO benefit to me when you shop there. I like the store and I like the owner. So I’m happy to throw some business in his direction … ultimately, it’s all good karma!

How to get there -> Jump on the subway and head to Hwe Hyun Station (회현 - blue line, next to Seoul Station). Get out and head for Exit 5.

When you reach street level at Exit 5, turn right and walk down the street (it’s down hill).

This is the top of namdaemun market. It’s nearly 100 meters to the bottom of the street.

Over half way … keep walking!

Keep going until you can see the end of the market street.

Once you reach the corner (Gate 2), turn left.

When you turn left, you’ll be on the camera street. There are lots of stores, so it’s worth your while to check a few stores and see if you can get any good prices.

Three or four stores from the corner you’ll see a small camera shop. It’s called YesDica.

That’s your destination, walk in and say ‘hi’. The owner’s name is Mr Choi. He will be very helpful if you know what you want. He likes cash and he’s happy to haggle, but don’t haggle too much if he’s already offering good prices, that would be rude!

His store is online, but he doesn’t update it often. You can see it at www.yesdica.co.kr … and actually, I don’t buy all my stuff from him. Sometimes he doesn’t match the best price. However, his prices are usually good. So it’s worth your while to have a look, check some prices and look around further if you want.

Afterthoughts …

Armed with this information, you can get good deals in Yongsan and Technomart too. In fact, if you print out the danawa prices, you can use it to haggle in most places (if you take cash). If you use a credit card, don’t expect great discounts. There are fees for credit cards, and store owners have to declare their sales. If you deal in cash, store owners can avoid taxes and such. Yeah, it’s dishonest, but it’ll save you money too!

So, choose what you want to buy … and decide whether you need a warranty in Korea or if you’d rather get cheaper gear. Then decide where you’re going to buy your stuff.

I thoroughly recommend YesDica in Namdaemun. It’s a camera store (not much use for computer equipment), but if you get over there, then you’ll get a good deal. But I know that some people will want to shop a little closer to home, which is one good point about Namdaemun, Yongsan and TM. They’re spread all over Seoul, so one of those places shouldn’t be too far away.

As I said at the start, comments and constructive discussion are welcome. I don’t know everything about Korea, but the advice above has served me and many people (to whom I’ve given recommendations) very well.

If you go to YesDica, tell him you read the ‘how to’ guide made by David (it’ll make him happy) … and let me know how it works out!

Good luck …

PS. If you stop by and read this guide, please take a second to leave a comment … it’d be nice to know how many visitors i get! :)

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23 Responses to “Super Dave’s Korean DSLR Camera Buying Guide”

  1. AvatarCharlie
    1

    You can use pricegrabber.com and pricescan.com for benchmark pricing too. Also my favorite site dpreview.com they have some pricing info there also. They are currently two months behind, because they stopped operations to move into a new office.

  2. AvatarEmma
    2

    Thanks for the laymans guide, exactly what I needed to know. Wish there was one of these for everything I needed to do, would make life so much easier…….

  3. Avatarjon farinelli
    3

    DOes anyone know where to find a repair shop that can fix Nikon’s? My camera was dropped and I took it to yongsan but they told me they couldn’t fix it there so to take it to namdaemun. Any suggestions as to where in namdaemun?

  4. AvatarSkinnySteve
    4

    Thanks for the guide! My old point and shoot is on it’s last legs. I used an SLR back in High School and I’m kind of thinking of getting back into it, especially for photography for SeoulSteves.com

  5. Avatarnaomi
    5

    Thank you so much for the guide and for sharing your guy with us. I’m going to head up to Seoul next week and will buy my first DSLR from Mr Choi. Cheers!!

  6. AvatarAndres
    6

    Went to YesDica. Not much haggling to be done but they came to the lowest price that could be found on danawa. I’m so happy with my canon 40D. Though I do think the tripods are a bit expensive there. Still great place to pick stuff up!

  7. AvatarRurik
    7

    Checked out TM and Yesdica yesterday. The prices at Yesdica were much better than what I was offered at TM. I didn’t have enough cash with me because I was just browsing around cause I wanted to know how much I needed to bring. I’ll go back to Yesdica next week to purchase my Nikon D300 (and some other stuff). Thanks Dave for the guide :)

  8. Avatarmike
    8

    Yesdica is highly disliked in camera row at Namdaemun. They have a reputation for selling bad gear, one shop (the canon official shop canon-ci.co.kr) went as far to say “YESDICA? I hate you!(meaning ‘them’)”. My girlfriend bought a lens there with fungus growing on it and he neglected to even mention it. We asked him if the lens was good and if there was anything wrong with it and he said yes the lens was good and nothing was wrong with it. We later found out that all the camera shops there work with each other; if you haven’t noticed, if you are in one shop and they don’t have something you need they will call down the row to another shop to see if they have it. They have all said bad things about Yesdica after we mentioned the store.

    You mention that the guy at Yesdica speaks good English and will give you cleaning cloths and filters but what you fail to mention is that all the other shops give you those items as well and that he gives out TRASH filters such as ARONA brand(that cause horrendous ghost images and flares)
    Not to mention that they all speak English REALLY WELL in that area.

    It may seem like I’m bashing Yesdica but after spending a month in Korea and visiting those camera shops thoroughly (my girlfriend and I walked to EVERY shop one after another) we discovered that Yesdica wasn’t the best shop there (even though it was the first one we purchased from and thought it was pretty good until we discovered the fungus and other better shops).

    I think it would be unfortunate if people read your guide and only went to Yesdica because there are far better shops in that area than them.

  9. AvatarDavid
    9
    Author Comment

    hi mike … thanks for your feedback.

    regarding namdaemun, i have to say that i’m not the ‘doyen’ of camera shopping knowledge. so it’s possible that there may be other places out there with good deals.

    however, i’ve dealt with yesdica a lot, and so have a number of people i recommended, and you’re the first i’ve heard in 2 years that has anything negative to say about the store.

    also, i only ever buy new equipment. actually, i did buy a used 105mm nikkor macro lens, and it was in fantastic condition. a few weeks ago i looked at buying a 70-200mm f2.8 VR (which was in mint condition), but even though the price was good, it’s still too much for me to justify.

    with new gear, i can’t see that there would be a problem … and as you said, they all work together. a few times i’ve entered yesdica and he didn’t have the gear i wanted, but 2 minutes later it arrived in the door (usually from another shop).

    in yesdica’s defense, i also have to say that he’s matched every best price i can find … sometimes at his own loss.

    i do think it’s wise to shop around and it’s definitely smart to carry cash. but the most important thing, especially with second hand gear, is to be very cautious. “caveat emptor” definitely applies.

    the camera stores keep so many lenses and old bodies, that i’ve no doubt many of them are broken or contain fungus behind the lens, due to moisture build up.

    i’ll continue to recommend yesdica until i see for myself any reason not to. i’ve been going there for 2 years and i’ve had nothing but good results … and so have the people i’ve sent there.

    thanks again for your comments … and i’m sure there are many great stores in namdaemun and other places around seoul. so it definitely pays to do the legwork and find the best deals.

    peace!

    david

  10. AvatarMike Olsen
    10

    Hey thanks for the tips on good camera prices. I’m an american who just moved to Korea to teach english and i badly need a DLR camera. Thankyou Kamsahmnida

  11. AvatarJose
    11

    Excellent guide. Thanks for all the tips, Dave.

  12. AvatarBridget Backhurst
    12

    hey Dave,

    I emailed you a few months back about buying a DSLR. Thanks so much for all your advice!! I’m happy to say I’ve finally got a camera - a Nikon D60. I got it from Yesdica.
    I went to all of the shops along from him to check prices and he matched the prices I found on Danawa. He was helpful and threw in a few extras as well as a good price on a memory card and bag.
    Thanks again

  13. AvatarDavid
    13
    Author Comment

    hi bridget

    i remember our conversation … i never heard from you, so i wondered whether you were still looking or gave up.

    i’m glad you found the guide useful. congrats on the camera, D60 is a nice rig!

    happy shooting

    cheers

    david

  14. AvatarTimmeh
    14

    Thanks for your help Dave,

    I’ll be heading down to Namdaemun next weekend after I get paid to pick up a D60. I’ve already visited yesdica among some other stores in that area so I’ll definitely head back that way when I go looking to buy in a weeks time.

    Cheers

    Tim

  15. Avatarhanna
    15

    hey dave, thanks for all your altruistic work! know that you’re really appreciated :) i’m newly in the market for a nikon d40 thanks to your great tips. i’ll let you know how it goes!

  16. AvatarTim
    16

    I just got back from Yesdica with my brand new Nikon D60 VR kit. haha I think Mr. Choi was a little thrown off that I already knew his name. I told him that I had heard he was the go to man in Seoul for cameras. Overall, he made buying a camera very easy and threw in a bunch of extras. I’ll definitely go back!

  17. AvatarJ
    17

    hi dave, thank you so much for this article! im here in seoul for holiday and went to yongsang to buy a camera - and would have been ripped off!
    now i will visit mr. choi, and with all the information you’ve given im sure i can make a nice deal.

    great work, thanks again, you’ll saved my day (and probably many many bucks)

    J

  18. AvatarRyan
    18

    Hey Dave, awesome article thanks.
    I’m in S Korea right now for work for 4 months. I’m looking at buying a D90.
    About the grey market stuff. If I bought it grey market would the warranty be honored when I return to Canada should I need to make use of it?

    Anyone else reading this know the answer to that?

    Ryan

  19. AvatarDavid
    19
    Author Comment

    hi ryan

    if you put your email address in when you leave a comment, i can contact you directly.

    however, the answer to your questin is yes, your warranty is valid and honoured outside korea. this ‘gray’ market restriction only applies in korea where the original importers are trying to stop the import of good through unofficial channels.

    your warranty is very real and very valid … outside korea.

    cheers

    david

  20. AvatarRyan
    20

    Thanks again, this is all great information.
    I think I’m going to get the Canon 450D. I really want a Nikon D90 but it’s just a little outside my price range for now.

    Anyways, thanks!

  21. AvatarJ
    21

    hi again,
    i went shopping and bought a Oly E-520 Double Zoom (14-42mm + 40 - 150mm) with 35mm macro lens at yesdica. 1.000.000Won with 8GB-CF Card, Oly-Bag, cardreader, add. batter and additional stuff thrown in (crappy arona uv-filters, hoods, a wobbly stative(?)).
    the price was ok i think, although i could’ve bartered a litte bit more.
    yet, i dont know what to think of this shop.

    the battery he gave me was faulty, shutoff at abeout a half day, the Oly-battery still running. i exchanged it at the shop. testing the new one today.
    this morning i had a lock-up, i think it was the “Jaba”-brand 8GB CF-Card. at first, there were only 200 pics of 400 available on the camera, then i had a lockup, so i reformated the card.
    now its working again, but if the stuff he gave me keeps falling apart i’ll get seriously angry. this sucks as i am to leave in a few days.

    so, when you go to this shop you might want to insist on him giving you only brand wares.

    i also disliked that he didn’t give me the bill (i had to return and ask for it) and that he had to be asked to stamp the warranty card. also he threw away all the packageing

    after all, it might have been bad luck on my side, but you should’nt rush into things like i did and check out the other shops as well…
    ill keep you informed…

  22. Avatarjason
    22

    Dave,

    Thanks for the great information. I will be buying my first digital SLR in the next couple of months and your information and links are great!

    Thanks again!

  23. AvatarThierry
    23

    Dave, thanks for taking the time to share all this valuable information! I’ve been looking at these shops since I moved to Seoul a few weeks ago wondering where to go. I’ve now made up my mind and will be heading to see Mr. Choi any day no to look at the 24-105 f4 for my Canon. With the Korean won low these days it should be possible to make a good deal …

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